王力雄：达赖喇嘛表示愿意和不请自来的客人组成大家庭

2009年7月29日，尊者达赖喇嘛开示。

王力雄：达赖喇嘛表示愿意和不请自来的客人组成大家庭

2009年6月25日，我在达兰萨拉与达赖喇嘛见面。达赖喇嘛在谈话中又一次强调了他不寻求独立。他这样解释：

坦白地讲，我的确不寻求独立，不是违心的，不是没有办法才表示接受，而是从西藏的利益出发，不独立对西藏有好处。西藏在精神方面是丰富的，但是在物质方面比较匮乏，留在中国，我想对西藏的物质建设、对西藏人的物质生活水平提高是有好处的。这一点，我过去说过。

从另一个方面，也可以看到，很多国家原来不独立，后来独立了，可是国家的情况并没有改善，人民的生活也没有变好，反而陷入更多的冲突和灾难中，那样的独立又有什么意思呢？

一些国家分裂成不同的国家，付出流血的代价，彼此变成敌对，相互把大量金钱用于军备，防范对方，甚至双方进行战争，那对双方的人民又有什么好处呢？一些独立的小国面对重重问题，全要靠自己解决，在我来看，不如加入到一个大家庭之中，互相帮助，齐心协力，对自己的人民更有好处。

问题在于，那一定应该是一个真正的大家庭。中国现在对西藏的帮助只是外在的，只是盖房子，光靠有房子有吃的，能满足人的内心世界吗？对于藏人的内心，最重要的是宗教信仰，可是看看丹增德勒[1]的命运，就知道西藏宗教在受到怎样的迫害。一个在西藏境内工作的医生来看我，他收入很高，物质生活不错，可是每当想到藏人的命运内心就压抑，见我时他一直在哭。只要人的内心世界不满，问题就不能解决。

几天前一位见我的华人学者说，去年藏区发生事件的根源从1959年就种下了。另一位安多来的长者说，去年的事件是几代藏人积累的不满的爆发。由中国民间人士写的“公盟报告”，也说明了发生去年事件的主要原因是中国内在的政策不合理。听说一些中国官员也在从这个角度进行反思。

我有时候开玩笑说，西藏问题不是我们自己制造的，而是不请自来的客人带来的。但是如果那个客人的家乡变得民主了，客人也因此变得讲道理，不再欺负我们，而是帮助我们了，我们不是不可以接受他的，即使他是没有受到邀请的，我们也可以共同组成一个大家庭。

2009年7月，于达兰萨拉
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[1] 丹增德勒，藏东康南的一位仁波切，真正践行佛教精神的出家僧侣，却遭到中国政府的政治迫害，于2002年以所谓制造数起爆炸案为名，被判死刑（后改无期徒刑），至今仍在狱中。

Wang Lixiong: Dalai Lama expresses willingness to form a family with uninvited guests

On June 25, 2009 I met the Dalai Lama in Dharamsala. During the course of his talks he once again stressed that he is not looking for independence, explaining it like this:

Frankly speaking, I’m not actually seeking independence. It’s not that I’m against it, or that there’s no way of expressing its acceptability, but from the point of view of benefits to Tibet, non-independence is beneficial to Tibet. Spiritually, Tibet is very rich but it is relatively lacking materially. Staying within China would I think be beneficial to raising the levels of Tibet’s material construction and the material lives of the Tibetan people. I have expressed this point before.

From another aspect, it can be seen that many countries were originally not independent then later became independent, but conditions in the country did not change and there were no changes in people’s lives. Conversely, if it brings ever more conflict and disaster, what does independence such as that mean?

Some countries that have split into different countries have paid a price of blood, and thereby become enemies. They put great amounts of wealth into their military to defend themselves against each other and even go to war. And what good is that to the people of both countries? Some small independent countries face many many problems which they must rely on themselves alone to resolve. In my opinion, it would be better to be in a big family with mutual help and working as one. This is much better for one’s own people.

The problem is that it should truly be a big family. China’s help for Tibet at the moment is only external – it is merely building a home, but one cannot rely solely on a roof and enough to eat to satisfy one’s internal world. Most importantly for Tibetan people’s hearts is their religious faith, but if you look at the fate of Tenzin Delek then you will see the kind of repression that religion in Tibet is under. A doctor who works in Tibet came to see me, and he has a high income and a not bad material life, but every time he thinks about the fate of the Tibetan people and the repression of their hearts, he’d look at me and cry. If the inner world of people’s hearts is not satisfied, problems will never be solved.

A few days ago, a Chinese scholar came to see me and said that the seeds of the incidents that happened in Tibetan areas last year were planted in 1959. Another elder who had come from Amdo explained that the incident last year was an explosion of dissatisfaction that had build up within several generations of Tibetans. The “Gongmeng report” by Chinese civic personages said that the main reason for the incidents happening last year was that China’s internal policies are not rational. And it’s said that several Chinese officials are thinking along these same lines.

I sometimes joke that the Tibet question was not created by us, but by uninvited guests. But if that guest’s home were to become democratic, then the guest would accordingly become reasonable and no longer treat us high-handedly, and would instead help us, and we would no longer be unwilling to receive them. And even though they had not been invited, we could still jointly create a big family.

July 2009, Dharamsala.